>>1562 I actually find it pretty much impossible to come to the Tinychat at all any more. Discuss Kant "and Badiou" (!!! Jesus, what more egregious an example of the puffed-up random name-dropping that idiots tend to accuse ME of has ever been seen even in this snakepit full of hissing morons) in the chat - well, yes, that is obviously just out of the question for the reasons I mentioned at the time. All it could mean in practice would be Science indulging further in the pathetic delusion - which I have to take some responsibility for implanting in him, I suppose, since he obviously can't tell the difference between a seriously and soberly intended judgment and the verbal forms of sado-masochistic ritual, in which the sexual rival is praised to the skies (see Sacher-Masoch, "Venus In Furs") - that he is some sort of universally-cultured Renaissance Man. If someone gives you a petrol drum and a two-by-four and asks you to play Schoenberg's Pierrot Lunaire for him, the person who feels any love of music just demurs.It's only the vain idiot who thinks that music and everything else is just a status symbol and a means to self-assertion who starts whacking away at the drum and screeching "look at meeeeeee, I'm Herbert fucking von Karajan!" As you may know, though, I did the sensible thing a few weeks ago and stopped trying to discuss ANYTHING AT ALL in the chat. I thought things had got to the point where even the stupidity and the pretentiousness were being out-stunk by the general moral degradedness, the dishonesty and duplicity, of the people interacting there. Gullible fool - and yes, horny old onanist - that I am, I was lured back into it a few days ago by this post, which is apparently Camel's
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Please stop. Deep down, you're all shitty people. If we're really frank, it's not even necessary to dig deep at all. I'm also realizing that I'm no better than most of you. Yes, Alex, you were right all those times you called me a cunt, a narcissist, etc. The reasons don't matter so much but suffice it to say you were wrong on them.
If we could sort of agree on this idea - that there's an undercurrent of unchecked aggression and egregious self-obsession in the degenerate pseudoculture of the Crackyverse and probably the internet and people without meaning in their lives in general, living in the parts of the world where we do - we could probably overcome it. Is anyone with me?
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I found this, at the time, to be a significant sign of hope for the "Cracky community". A prominent member of what is left of this "community" admitting - or appearing, at least, to admit - that she has behaved repellently at times and that there is a general malaise of aggression and narcissistic self-obsession afflicting this place and NOT, for once, splashing about like a kid in a filthy paddling-pool in the fond illusion that everyone is just "wuvvy-wuvvy-WUVVY" and that there is just ONE source of negativity here: namely, Alex Reynolds. I've been all the more disappointed, then, over the past couple of days to see how disappointing a CONCRETE form this very abstract appeal of Camel's to people to "join her in self-criticism" has taken. I suppose its very "abstractness" should have been an alarm signal to me about its fundamental unseriousness right from the start. AUTHENTIC statements of moral self-examination are almost invariably characterized by a gesture of particulrization, that singles the maker of the statement out from the mass of "the rest" - like Dostoevsky's famous "Everyone is responsible for everyone else - but I am responsible, most of all". Camel's self-criticism, noticeably, displays the very inverse structure to this: "I'm a bad person....As, of course, all the rest of you are as well.....I'm no better than most of you....Which is, of course to say that I AM better than SOME of you....And what I most certainly AM NOT is the WORST....In fact, yeah, I think I'm actually pretty good, on balance...Shit, I'm kind of AWESOME...." That, sadly, was what, as i discovered, Camel's moment of critical self-reflection boiled down to in the end. Because barely 48 hours have passed and we are already back to self-righteous tirades about how I DARE to express criticism of her behaviour in e-mails, how not grovelling in the dust before someone is tantamount to "not really liking" them etc. Nor has her return to the chat in this purportedly new and more
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critical and self-critical state of mind made,as far as I can see, one iota of actual TANGIBLE difference to the way things go on an average evening in the Tinychat. The atmosphere, in fact, is significantly MORE deeply saturated with lies and two-facedness and secret malevolent aggressive self-assertion, as Rob has clearly now decided to make it his pissing-ground for a while, which makes for some TRULY morally grotesque scenes: the "militant feminist", depressed and bored and in need of some cheap attention, engaged in endless baby-talk with her chum the statutory rapist, while Science beams down on the proceedings with his patented ultra-contemporary handy-around-the-home all-purpose ontological-epistemological-moral relativism, whereby everything is just whatever whoever decides to say it is and we can all prance off together playing ring-a-ring-a-roses into our French-philosopher's-name-dropping post-modern Paradise, discreetly and "empathically" looking away if one of our number stops to rape a 15-year-old along the way. The "overcoming" you pay lip service to, Leyla, will begin on the day you ask yourself what you mean CONCRETELY AND SPECIFICALLY about us "all being shitty people" - or rather, more importantly, on the day when you ask your friends whether THEY are willing to measure their own lives against that proposition you yourself have put forward, in any way that doesn't trickle swiftly and gaily away out of the sphere of all concern and all perception with a "Yes, yes, I'm shit.....lolololol I'm sooooo full of shit....and you are and Alex is and so was Immanuel Kant and nothing means anything and ooooooh what a wonderful wonderful world this is....." But that day will never come, of course. Because it's so much easier, isn't it, to overlook absolutely everything that is shitty in an obviously very shitty individual like Rob - who has pretty much pledged his entire life, for God's sake, to someone whom you yourself recognize to be a deeply unpleasant
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and nastily calculating individual - and to let yourself be tickled and patted and cuddled by him while joining in the general clamour to "cast out the only person among us who is shitty or bad IN ANY WAY AT ALL", namely...well...
Your Sincerely
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In itself, "you say that we're all shitty people and then you spend so much time fraternizing with us/them in the chat" would have been a good criticism, Alex. I'm afraid the other conclusions you drew and the certainty with which you went about trying to drill them into the attention of me and all the other suckers you hate, though, is a symptom of the "badness" I see in you. I'm only saying so because you just demanded some specific example. As for me, well, a symptom of my evil could be, say, the lack of will to better anything for anyone. That's something that, whether is just (backspace backspace) whether is present in people in general or I'm sort of the unfortunate exception to the rule that people are helpful by nature, is deplorable, obviously. I keep saying "symptom" because I really DO believe that the badness is a shared thing between us, and I already spelled out in the post you pulled up what I think the badness can most -- okay, now you're interrupting me, something you completely flipped your shit over one or two days ago when some random person did it to you. Case in point. Peace.
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>>1578 Sorry....stop...There is no point in writing stuff that is grammatically indecipherable. Yes, I'm interrupting you because you say "The other conclusions you drew is a symptom of the badness I see in you".....Well, OK, to quote you exactly
Alex. I'm afraid the other conclusions you drew and the certainty with which you went about trying to drill them into the attention of me and all the other suckers you hate, though, is a symptom of the "badness" I see in you.
You then go on to say
I see in you. I'm only saying so because you just demanded some specific example.
Now insofar as that makes grammatical sense at all, the "badness" you appear to have identified in me is, so you claim, my practice of drawing conclusions and of presenting them to people with the firm conviction that I am right.
I'm sorry, but I can't see how that is a "specific example" at all. A SPECIFIC example would be citing ONE (or, if you like several) PARTICULAR conclusions I have drawn and showing how it wasn't a sound enough conclusion to bear the "certainty" with which I try to impress it on people.
Well,actually, even that would hardly be "badness" of any very serious degree - but you don't even make any serious attempt to "convict" me of THAT. You just make an utterly unfounded assertion that you have been "specific" and then, when you are politely called upon to offer some actual foundation for it, you run away offended.
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interruption
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>>1578 >>1579 I think it's pretty obvious that no one is ever going to take up my challenge - which is not made in a spirit of macho self-assertion but just in the spirit of indeed "overcoming" the narcissism and self-assertion that Camel herself admits dominates and pervades this place - and say SPECIFICALLY what constitutes bad and unfair and unfriendly and unpleasant behaviour. It will just be let rest at Camel's speciously piously and admirably self-critical "I guess there's just a mean-ness in this world" and the question, WHO exactly is mean will remain floating there unenriched by any actual substance, as Camel ducks and dives each successive SPECIFIC question "Is Rob mean?" "No, because he's my pal....I was referring to SOMEONE ELSE" "Ah..Is Science mean, then?" "No, because he's my pal too...The mean-ness is in the air, but it's obviously nothing to do with HIM" "Ah....could Alex be the source of the mean-ness?" "YES! YES! It must be HIM I was talking about when I wrote about narcissism and aggressive self-assertion in the Crackyverse! Who would ever have guessed it?" "And how SPECIFICALLY is he mean?" "Sorry, I have to go....."
