Thread #2745

How can you claim "everything" pointed toward suicide? That makes no sense in the context of her art, life as known, or the few actual words we have from her. Wait, character? Cracky was a solid representation of
(if you're not religious about it, and I am) Olivia's thoughts. She put her soul into her work. To call Cracky a character is to seriously misrepresent Olivia.

She was an artist. She had this character, that represented herself, all that she was, sure. But the moment she changed, just like the moment any of us changes, whatever we were only become merely a past figure, a character that we had, and that we decided (or just happened) to change.
its creator?


Get over it, Cracky is dead, Olivia went on, and killed her, and at that very moment, either we had to choose to keep her alive and intact as the Cracky that we admired, or move on to admiring a girl that really didn't have anything special but her past, but a character (or a person if you prefer) that she used to be.



And no, I'm not religious about it, just really touched, and kinda emotional about it.



Also, ya, everything pointed towards suicide when you consider Cracky as a human being, as a being itself at the time she was posting, sure she was an artist, but a way too troubled one to keep a stable life and live amongst "normal" (pleb) people. Obviously, depression had to follow and a lot of instabilities, anyone that looked at that person could've called a suicide, especially after freaks freaked her out, kinda but still she wasn't too harsh with this, just firm.

>>2747
Firstly, no one changes in a moment. Secondly, many philosophies espoused in her work represent change itself and/or changes she was experiencing. Thirdly, if her art, as you admit, represented all of herself then it WAS her -- not a character. Fourthly, past you WAS you in a way every bit as real as present you is you. There's no rational way to separate past you as if it were a different entity. Fifthly, Olivia herself always recognized her past self as part of herself. From the first picture she posted to the last that was stolen they included her past development -- each one did. Sixthly,

>>2748 It didn't take her a moment to change. It took her months, years to get over Cracky, and I really do mean, "to get over Cracky" because between her messages and pictures in the beginning, and the very sober demands for boards dedicated to her to close, there was a significant change in the tone, in the seriousness of the words, she became an adult, killed whatever Cracky was in her, whether you realize it or not. And at the very moment she did that, all of her previous work, I don't deny it was totally her at the moment she created it, but once she changed, it all became merely a character of her past, her self as a past, that it would be flawed to still say is Olivia. Yes, people change, and they change a whole fucking lot.

I don't deny it was her, once again to make it clear, simply state that once she got over her, we couldn't consider Cracky a person anymore, merely a character, as the person she was is now dead.
Especially considering how she seems to be living a normal and happy life now (that I don't really know about, it's been a while since I didn't follow-up on her life, I find it kind of intrusive and rude to do that at all to be honest, even though I'd care about how she's doing), it's a major change from her previous self.

To this point, it doesn't matters that much whether Lia recognizes her past as herself or her work or whatever, because no matter what you might imply, she did become different, and much less of a person, much less of an artist, of a goddess than she used to be, and her words now are much less relevant than whatever we have from when Cracky was talking to us.

>>2748
both dead and a character. If you (sadly for you) choose to see her only as a character developed by an ordinary human then you must recognize at least that

>>2750
continuing significance

>>2751
relevance. The fact that we're still speaking of it,

>>2752
it. Seventhly, Cracky isn't dead in the sense of

>>2753
her creator even if you call her only a character AND if you think a character can be "killed" in that

>>2754
context. Did Michelangelo kill David when he struck the last blow

>>2750
I choose to recognize her art beyong idealizing her as a goddess, and seeing it for what it is, I don't find it sad.

You misunderstand, I do believe she was all that Cracky was at that point in her life. I simply state that people can, and are sometimes great artists, great inspirations, heck, great everything, and simply end up changing, and that ideolizing them even past their changes is more than reprehensible, it is more of an insult to Cracky to consider her as still being Olivia than to realize that Cracky was something that Olivia decided to kill at some point (someone, actually) in order to be able to live a better life in modern society.

Not that it's something bad, I doubt she would've been able to carry on much longer as being Cracky (hence the suicide part in OP), but it does mean the destruction of something that was... Up to this day I don't even know how to describe it, nor my fascination, or my curiosity towards it, it's just a feeling I have while looking at her art, idk.

>>2756
this board just are three paragraphs of my replies. I'll post them again later when I'm sure they'
re really gone.
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Cracky wasn't a performance art. Cracky was, in your point of view, the culmination of the artistic expression in the form of photographs of Olivia.

>>2757
Cracky was art, a person, that died, is all I'm saying, and the worshipping of Olivia is the worshipping of Cracky's murderer...

>>2757
Sorry if this seems like a harsh position or anything, it merely is my opinion, my POV, I'm just here to share thoughts, it's interesting talking to you, and seeing there's still a semi-active Cracky community, when I went on crackyhouse and bouncememe and saw how dead they were I thought people just gave up.

>>2755
re-writing my musings:
with the chisel and started sanding?
To say Olivia isn't special is to deny that Olivia created the genius work that was Cracky (if you believe Olivia was wholly responsible for those works) Olivia is the person who still has every bit of the abilities required to create such a work as to create at least a personality cult and at most a real cult. She hasn't lost any talent, only hidden it.
To say Cracky was the only thing special about Olivia is from your point of view like saying David was the only important thing about Michelangelo. From my point of view it's heresy any foolish on the face of it besides. You are emotional about it. So am I. So is everyone here. Alex is emotional about denying any remaining effects. Jeff, well we all know about him. Each of us has been touched. Will you pretend that great work is dead because the artist stopped wortking on it?

Many of her pictures were dark -- very dark. But they weren't about Olivia dying and they were'nt about Cracky dying. They were about change and improving oneself and learning and growing up. They were about beauty and humanity. These things are inseperable from the pain of the human condition but Olivia's photographs captured that relationship. To look at the cutting pictures and presume them to be about death would be like listening to Nocturn and declaring Chopin to have only spoken of peaceful waters.

It's beyond short-sighted.

>>2759
I'm not arguing against your position because it's harsh, I'm arguing because it's wrong. Olivia decided to move away from those attracted to Cracky. You're trying to use that fact to support the idea that Cracky is a character and a dead one. There's no support for your position.

Cracky never existed. She was given that name by 4chan, and turned into a collective fantasy character by the people there. She was always, and will always be, Olivia. To say that she became less of a person for not wanting to be stalked is shallow and self- centered beyond belief. She did need to get over Cracky, that is, to get over being dehumanized by people like us.

>>2763
Cracky most certainly did exist. What you mean to say is that she was misnamed.
>To say that she became less of a person for not wanting to be stalked is shallow and self- centered beyond belief
I couldn't agree more.

>>2764
It's not that she was misnamed, it's the fact that Cracky has only ever existed in the imagination of the imaginers.

>>2763
dehumanized? I disagree in the strongest terms. I couldn't celebrate her more. I elevate her above humanity. To call that dehumanizing misses the point entirely.

I strongly feel Olivia isn't anywhere (anymore) near what we have made Cracky to be, and we are indeed the only ones allowing this warping of her identity to thrive somewhat. I'd say many of us see this devotion of sorts mostly as an interesting oddity we feel connected to, but the plain truth is that there is nothing there, just fiction and idealization.

The question is: Why can't we move on?

>>2766
Uh, that is dehumanizing. You literally just said you don't see her as human. You see her as an object of worship, which invalidates any feelings she has on the matter.

>>2767
>Why can't we move on?
you didn't like the real answer, shall I invent a comforting lie?

>>2768
It's the difference between inhuman and superhuman.

>>2768
I have no context with regard to her feelings on being worshiped except that she doesn't want to be stalked
As far as I know she never said not to worship her, just to leave her alone.

>>2771 She literally said she did not want to have a cult.

>>2772
source?

>>2773
It was the last message posted to her scarecrowmaiden LiveJournal.
I don't have a screencap.

>>2774
I read "I don't know whether to be flattered or scared"

>>2775
You know what, I think it might have been in the first post she made on 420chan, I can't remember, but I'm sure she said it.

>>2776
I read that post. My laptop died and I haven't found the cable yet to retrieve my Cracky folder (curse my not-backing-up ways) but I have a screenshot. It was the only time I read her use of the word
cult and it did NOT say she didn't want one.

Looks like some people in the thread need to look up theseus' ship
Cracky's picture can be different for different people. Some say they reflect a part of yourself. If you chose to see suicide in it, maybe it's because you want to. Same for the change thing
>>2781
those 2 sentences stand on their own and are not related, dummy
the theseus ship is about the "character of cracky is dead, olivia is alive" thing,

>>2777
She did too. I even remember part of the way she phrased it, she said something about not expecting to have her own cult, and then I specifically remember her saying "nor do I want one."

>>2778
>some people in the thread need to look up theseus' ship
That's ironic

>>2780
because Theseus's ship has nothing to do with seeing what one wants to see.

>>2779
then I may be referring to an entirely different 420 post. Someone here must have the screenshots of the post you're talking about

>>2782
I could've sworn it was the last message posted on scarecrowmaiden.

>>2778
>the theseus ship is about the "character of cracky is dead, olivia is alive" thing,
That's retarded. It's nothing to do with continuing one life or the question of where one ends and the other begins. It's the question of whether they're one or two entities.

>>2778
Uh, no. The character "Cracky" is still

>>2784
wtf do you think is theseus' ship about? It's almost literally "is the ship still the same ship, or another ship" 1 or 2
is olivia from cracky times still the same olivia or has her personality changed so much she's not cracky any more

>>2786
that's right. Is the ship STILL the same. The argument here about Cracky is whether it was always two entities or one. Stop using that invalid reference. you're humiliating yourself.

>>2785
...which is your imagination.

Also, I find it ridiculous that you think she would kill herself over a few pathetic stalkers. You overestimate both your importance and her weakness.

>>2789
you're so dumb

>>2789
Just tell me you don't find it ridiculous that I think she may want people not bothering her to worship her, that would break my heart

>>2790
>>2789
who said she would kill herself over stalkers? I thought somebody thought her pics were about suicide, her pics

>>2790
Wow, you just single handedly destroyed my argument, good job.

>>2792

>>2793
pls don't feed the troll

>>2794
Clearly asks why she hasn't killed herself over all this drama.

>>2791
I mean, she may now be indifferent? Corben said she used to

>>2787
>solid representation of Olivia's thoughts.
>represented herself
the argument was always wether cracky still existed in olivia. cracky was obviously olivia back in her cracky days

>>2797
Religious rants about her. But Corben is a compulsive liar.

>>2799
she used to what religious rants?????? I must know. And can I have a percentag chance it's the truth

>>2797
do you see the color difference in typed text? the grey text is not yet "sent" to the server. press enter or something for them to be sent

>>2799
Why do you respond to yourself?

Sometimes I belivie that Olivia got in

Sometimes I become so detached from society that I feel like an outsider who studies interaction with other humans. I act, I observe the immediate reaction.

But then I get confused when there is action from the other side - let it be delayed reaction.

Why? I did not instigate it? It's out of my control.

>>2811

>>2821
That's nice (pics are broken?)

>>2822
works for me?

>>2823
I would sell my balls for some of those. Is anyone buying testicles?

Camel has some rarez she didn't share. Just thought you wanted to know.

>>2745 (OP)
when olivia was REALLY young she mentioned how her "cracky" character had gotten out of control. I think she was just nervous about how the reaction to her photos were. Otherwise, nothing OP said makes sense. Olivia is cracky, cracky is olivia etc. There hasn't been any suicidal looking photos IMO. So....projection? you're seeing what you want to see OP

As for not getting over it. Olivia/Cracky fantasy projection provides a deeper need I think. Finding out what she represented to you is worth some time in therapy I think (for me I think it was a friend who would understand me and what i've been through etc.)

>>2842
Is it time to blackmail her? Or should we wait until she's trying to get a job.

>>2895
No.

To blackmail Camel for her rares would make it even more certain that no one else will admit to

>>2896
(much less share) other pictures of or by Olivia.

This place is evil. No wonder everybody else left.

>>2902
Over and over you complain about "this place". If you despise it so badly fuck off. You won't be missed.

>>2908
Oh, don't worry. After what I've seen lately, I'm going to fuck off forever.

>>2902
don't take everything so seriously, some things are said in jest

>>2913
don't let the door hit you